The Art of Joy

The Art of Joy Fawn: [00:00:00] Yay, welcome back, everyone. Hello. Hello, everyone. Before we start, I have to preface. Did MATT: you just take a Fawn: swipe at me? No, I'm just saying, no, I'm just moving my arms because I always talk with my hands. Did you know one of the other things I was taught in voice? Two things. What I'm going against right now because I desperately needed coffee. Big no no in voiceovers. Or if you want your voice to be in tip top shape. Don't drink caffeine. But I just had a cup of coffee, which I normally never do. I think the three and a half years we've been podcasting, I've only had coffee three times. I always, always, always. I never. If I have a sip, I feel like I'm just going to disappear. Like, from anxiety and like, poof! It is not good. So, I was gonna say, I'm really tired just to start off the show. I'm sorry, guys. I'm trying to sleep more, so I'm forcing myself to sleep. [00:01:00] And I feel like when I do that, I'm grouchier and less rested. What's up with that? That's a weird MATT: thing. Fawn: I'm much more energetic and totally pulled together when I go with my rhythms that are now, which is very little sleep. I force myself to sleep or I have crazy dreams. I woke up, very upset. Mm MATT: hmm. Fawn: Obviously. And I told you to stay away from me. Like, just don't talk to me right now. It was a MATT: love is winning kind of day. Fawn: Oh, my goodness. I'm sorry. I apologize. But, yeah, not in a good mood. I mean, I'm in a good mood now because we're all together here. Thank you everyone for listening. So anyway, alright, so we'll start. Ironically, the topic today is a three letter word, J O Y, joy. Joy has been coming up a lot the last few years for several reasons. And the more I think about it, the more I realize, joy has been [00:02:00] one of those big messages here and there. When you were in the hospital, and I sought out, help from spiritual people. Mhm. Energetically, joy was an issue. So, I did everything in my power to bring joy. I don't know if you remember, but I had you chant certain phrases that had joy in them. The word joy. And then I, I did the paintings of joy, like I just did white canvases with just the word joy on them. That I remember. With mirrors. I mean, it's still up in our, in our house. So anyway, joy. And a few weeks ago, Farnoosh taught me to, well, she kept, she kept messaging me asking me if I was okay. The first time, fine. I'm like, I'm good. Well, you know, the second, third, fourth time she asked, I'm like, what's happening? Is some, are you picking something up? Like. Are you sensing, because she's very [00:03:00] intuitive, and I totally trust her, I'm like, What, what are you seeing? Are you just, are you not telling me something? Am I in trouble? Is the family in trouble? What's happening? Is some, is some bad stuff gonna go down, like, that I'm not seeing? And she's like, no, no, no. And so she explained to me the mystical, the Jewish mystical thing about, When you, oh God, I'm going to say this the wrong way. I'm not going to say it. The, the beautiful way she explains everything to me is going to kind of go out the window as I try to explain it to you guys. But here's, I mean, I'll, I'll just do it in my own way right now. But when you are, and I learned this by the way, and I know I'm all over the place. I think the coffee is just now kicking in. Coffee's kicking in. Oh my goodness. Hold on. So, I was also taught this by Robert, you know, I studied spiritual response therapy And he always said when you're doing light work [00:04:00] Energy work, light work, stuff like that, you're dealing with the highest energetic frequencies frequencies and energetics that you're bound to get Something that can be construed as, interference. It's like a, it could be seen as a negative force. Right? It's something that takes you away from the joy. Away from the light. You start having doubts or you start having weird hiccups. Hiccups as in like weird things that happen. Right. Right. And because I have been totally focused, Farnoosh was like, are you okay? And so she finally explained it to me. And I'm like, well, come to think of it, you're right. No, like, remember, I even got a boil. Like, it was biblical stuff that was happening. Right? Right. I had boils and everything. I never even get a pimple. Anyway, so that was a few weeks ago. And the antidote Am I pronouncing that right? Antidote? MATT: [00:05:00] Antidote, yes, it's Fawn: a good word. The antidote to that is joy. And so what you need to do is focus on joy. So you have to be a rebel when you get those thoughts in your head that says and you think that they're your thoughts but they're actually not your own thoughts it's, it's just something that's trying to distract. So, you do the opposite. you think of the thoughts that are in your head and you're like, Well, I'm not good at this. I'm no good. It's never gonna happen. Who am I to think this? Or who am I to be doing this? Right. This will never work. It could be any thought. It could be any thought, but whatever thought it is, it's not positive. Right? Mm hmm. To fix it you focus on joy, but you have to do certain things and we so we started talking about this She gave me a very interesting challenge Which is as artists and I think everyone is creative [00:06:00] every human being every Sentient being is creative. The earth is creative Animals are, we're all animals, but like, all creatures are creative. MATT: Well, we all have a biological need to, to create. Procreate, create, especially as humans, we have this need to leave something behind after we're gone, even. Fawn: But even our friendships, it's all about creating. True. Creating bonds, the way we communicate with one another is incredibly creative. You're a computer programmer. It's incredibly creative. Yes. I didn't realize that until I met you. Hey o! Seriously even math. MATT: Math can be for sure Fawn: creative. I mean, I used to purely think of it as mental abuse to humans, math. But now, I mean, it's still very abusive to me, the math. But I totally see it as a creative thing. It's not my frequency. I don't quite understand it MATT: still. And it has been [00:07:00] interesting helping our children through spaces of math quote, unquote, I mastered, which I didn't. There is no such thing as mastery in math, for me anyways, but things that I had learned and watching them struggle in interesting ways and helping them through that by having them understand creative solutioning sometimes. Fawn: So going back to the creative thing, producing something creative every day to go against this force that's trying to get you off of your path to Enlightenment your path off of the high that you're feeling right the spiritual well being. Mm hmm So what you do is every day you create something in honor of joy Interesting it doesn't have to be something big It should be really something small that you do every day So she gave me this challenge to do it for 40 days and Every day I wrote it down what I was doing and I did of course me I didn't do small things I did no things and then I burned out [00:08:00] so I have to start all over again, I think Forty whole days? Forty days. I think I made it to day 13 or something like that, or 14, I don't know. Don't! It was a lot. It's like, there's a lot in the day that I have to take care of. I get it. But I realized how I put things off, I put joy off. You know? I'm just running, rushing, trying to take care of everything. But I want to say all that stuff that I do take care of, even though I'm stressed out. Because everything is on a time limit. You know, like, I have to be here at 3, I have to be over there at 2. 30, I have to make sure I do this, which takes 45 minutes. It's just like a running I don't know what you call it. But it's constant running. Right. MATT: No, there's always a countdown clock. And you clear one countdown clock and then there's the next one. Yeah, it's hard Fawn: to stop and have victory parties, you know? Even if it's for 10 seconds, go, [00:09:00] Yay! We did it! No. Because as soon as we're done with that, we're thinking, Oh, I gotta do this! And I'm late for this. Right. So there's no sense of party. And same with friendship. That's why the art of friendship has gone away. That's why our, our, our friendship bonds aren't there. Because we are so, here's the four letter word again, guys, busy. Right? It robs us of the joy. So, anyway, but tiny little things every day in honor of joy. So, interesting, because I was doing this in my head. Mm hmm. Or I was doing this, and I wasn't really, like, totally explaining it to you guys fully, like, what I was taking part MATT: in. Well, in my mind, you were creating something every day that you could, like, take a step back from and say, That's me, I did that. Right. [00:10:00] Fawn: But I do that every day anyway. But the thing is you focus. But it's the standing back and looking at it. Right, and it's also, like, this is ceremonial. This is in honor of joy that we're bringing in. You know what I'm saying? Well, I thought it was MATT: for our neighbor across the street. What do you mean? Our neighbor, Joy. Fawn: Oh my gosh. Kidding. So, anyway, so a few days ago you brought this thing up because it came across your MATT: desk. It comes, I get random things coming across my desk all the time. Yes. Fawn: So, how did it come to you, this whole Joy thing? MATT: So, long story short, in order to avoid, paying attention to American sports scores, I get all my news from England. so when things sweep through England, I hear about them. So I know all about what's happening with Prime Minister Sunak. Which I probably just butchered. Anyways, and so I, I see these things come across and, you know, clickbait, take a [00:11:00] look, wonder about it. And then really start pondering, what it all means, what it means. And this was talking about, a week of, what, what do they call it? Fawn: It's seven minutes for seven days. They call it Big Joy. Big Joy, there you go, Big Joy. Finding joy in hard times. So you sent me the article. MATT: Yes. And it was interesting because this was, interestingly enough, coming from England, we bounce back to America, to Berkeley. And I want to say it's literally UC Berkeley, but it's berkeley. edu. Fawn: It's called a citizen science project based, at the Greater Good Science Center at UC Berkeley. So if you want to check it out, Google Citizen Science Project based at the Greater Goods Science Center at UC Berkeley. MATT: And UC Berkeley is one of these, like, weird places because Fawn: it was It's one of the big universities in the United States. MATT: A lot of really smart [00:12:00] people, very hippie. It was like It used to be. It was like used to be. It was almost like one of the birthplaces, really, of the whole peace, love, and understanding kind of movements. Right. And, but they're really smart people there. Of course, they didn't let me in, but, they're really, really smart people. So it's interesting. You almost want to sit up and take a look when they're interested in something. Fawn: Can I say what the seven days consisted of? Yeah, absolutely. Should I do it now or after your, your thoughts? No, no, no. Do it now. All right, so you sent me this article, so I took a look at it. But it reminded me of what Farnoosh was making me do. Farnoosh if you all don't know, she's my childhood friend. And, I love her so much. Hello. Okay, it's basically seven days. Seven days, seven, seven minutes, seven days straight. They start with a day zero, though. Day zero, it's called getting started, and I guess they make you listen to people laughing. It's just audio of [00:13:00] people laughing, and then you complete a questionnaire about the satisfaction and the amount of common humanity you feel for others. So you fill out a questionnaire, right? And then day one, your assignment is to ask someone to tell you about something fun, wonderful, or inspiring that they've experienced, or something that made them feel proud. Then at the end of the day, you rate your day, like, how you felt. Right? Right. So that's day one. Day two is, I think there was a title that said, you are a force of good. Right? Right. There's a morning check in, and then it makes you do the separating of emotions, as opposed to like, you feel a jumble of things throughout the day, so you're supposed to separate them by writing down the pleasant emotions that you have, and then writing down the unpleasant emotions that you have. And I think that makes you realize that they are [00:14:00] indeed separate, so you can distinguish. Between the two, like what's happening and then the task is to listen to a Buddhist prayer. MATT: So, and that's really bizarre that they have you do that, honestly. I don't know. I, I think it's just to introduce, I think the Western audience, the quote unquote American audience to something that is so radically different. But in a way it's kind of a cheat. I think that. There's a lot of religion here that's gotten very almost like packaged up as like a product that you're given as opposed to really something that If you are, if you do belong to an organized religion, you should feel it in your heart and in your something else and in your head, but it's the, it's that something else that you Fawn: feel. So many things are now packaged up these days. Everything is packaged up. What else was packaged up [00:15:00] the other day? I was like, I was doing something and someone pointed out how that's packaged. I'll remember, I'm sorry, probably in the middle of the podcast and I'll blurt it out, but, yeah, like I could see how it's just, I don't know. When you study different religions and, you know, all religions and you study in depth. you start to understand that in a very, superficial way, people take something and then claim it as their own. Or take something and claim it as someone else. Like, I don't know, I just, it, whatever it is. Let me just finish. Okay, I'm sorry. You all know what I'm talking about though, right? It's like appropriation. Yeah, MATT: and that's how this feels, that step felt to me. Fawn: So anyway, day three, shift your perspective. Think of a time recently that you felt frustrated, anxious, or upset, then write three [00:16:00] positive things that came out of it. So write down things that made you upset, and then the good things that came out of them. All right. Day four, make a gratitude list. Again, this is when I'm like, Oh my God, I'm kind of over the whole, not the gratitude part. But like we were saying, it gets so packaged. MATT: Right. Yeah, it definitely felt like once again, they're trying to package Fawn: something. Yeah, but again, if you actually do it with heart, it does help. But reading it, I kind of feel like, ew. You know, when people say, make a gratitude list or self care. I've said from the beginning for three and a half years now, right? I kind of want to vomit. I've got MATT: two minutes Let me do some self care. Self care. Like that, like that two minutes you spend is gonna help you for the next, like, 40 days. Fawn: It's like the no word, you know, like years ago when Oprah was [00:17:00] like, we as women have to say no And I just found that women were so Ugly about it, about saying no It was, in saying no to each other, I'm sorry, I wasn't into it. I totally disagree with saying no. I agree with doing things and not doing things that you're not supposed to do because it's not in you. But to be so blatant about it and say, I'm going to practice saying no. Like, it was ugly. MATT: Well, it felt like they were just practicing saying no to you. Fawn: Well, it's always directed at a person who doesn't deserve it. It's like when you have anger and you are afraid to unleash it on the person that deserves it. So you give it to a person that you feel is weaker than you. Right. I just felt that a lot of that was happening with the no word. You know, they weren't really saying it [00:18:00] to the authority that perhaps they were thinking about. Right. Anyway, so make a gratitude list. Sorry, totally diverged there. Day five, dwell in awe. They send you a, a video of Yosemite looking at nature or something. But you know, I say like the squirrels outside, I'm in awe. Of these guys, or like birds, whatever. When, when I see a MATT: bird just like hanging out there with, not flapping, just, he's literally almost like painted in the sky and he's not moving and he's just, zoom, it's like, ah. Fawn: Or like, looking at the magic in life, you know? The relationships we have with one another. I'm in awe, like the, the spiritual, mystical things that happen on a daily basis. If you stop and go, whoa, that right there was a miracle. In awe. Like even this morning, okay, so I've been telling you, isn't it [00:19:00] amazing that nature And all the creatures in nature, except for humans, don't need clocks. They know precisely where to be at 7. 30 in the morning, 6. 45 in the morning. Alright, you don't need a clock. Matt is raising his hand, like, I don't need. He doesn't like alarm clocks. He just wakes up. I just wake up. So, I used to be that way. But, um, But, so for the past two weeks, Something's been scratching at our wall. Our bedroom is near the roof of the house. And every day at the same time, something's scratching away like crazy. It sounds like it's either in the wall or outside. I can't tell what's going on. , I wonder what kind of creature that is. And I know it's a creature because I'll knock, and it'll knock back just like that. Like, we'll go back and forth. So I'm like, okay, that, something's communicating here, right? And every time I go to look to see what's doing that, I don't see anything.[00:20:00] I'm like, oh my god, please be on the outside of the house and not inside. So anyway, it's been days of this. And then, today, I was thinking, if I put my boots on right now, and go outside, I know you're gonna be gone. I'm gonna be pissed. So. Cuz it's cold. I'm gonna be mad. So, anyway. I was just laying there, thinking about it. This big bird, not big, big, but it was one of those blue jays, robins, I don't know, one of those with a Blue jays MATT: are definitely blue, robins have the red chest. I think Fawn: it was a blue jay. Okay. I couldn't tell because the sun was behind, it was like a silhouette. And then our windows that need replacing. I can't really see through them very well. Yeah, no, I can't see through them either. But the bird came, and it was really uncomfortable for the bird, too, to sit where it did. Mm hmm. Like, it couldn't sit there, so it had to flap and make sure it stayed there. It was quite the feat to do that, but it showed me who was doing that. Mm hmm. [00:21:00] I know that that bird was telling me what was going on because it felt me, I feel like it felt me wanting to know who was there. I'm like, thank you. I was in awe of that. You know what I'm saying? So that's an example for me of how I find awe. So that's to dwell in awe. That's day number five. Day number six, tune into what matters. They have you rate your values, virtue, fairness, goodwill, and unity, and explain how they inform and shape your life day to day. All right. Day seven, do something kind for five different people. So what came out of this was they found that the majority of people who found the joy, they found that the tasks that involved other people made people feel the happiest. Do you hear that? Yes. That's a bird. That's what I hear early in the morning. That's a bird. Do y'all [00:22:00] hear that out there? I'm telling you. Right? Okay. Okay. Anyway, sorry guys. So, it's interesting. Back to friendship. Everything that brings a spark of joy it's in relation with other people, when you're connecting with other people. Well, I think MATT: it's in relation to other entities, other living creatures, because you just directly referenced a bird. Yeah, but And honestly, I can remember a point in time where That was the awe part. I, um, you do make an interesting point, but yet, having that awe, it's like, takes me out of myself. And that's the good part. That's Fawn: the good thing. See, I just want to be careful because people are like, I only want to talk to cats. I hate people. Ooh. So, I'm thinking about that when you say that. Okay. And I do think it's true that when you do connect with others, that that does give you a joy. Yes. It's different than having total respect and awe and feeling beauty [00:23:00] looking at nature and looking at other animals. Yes. However, I think the connection That we have with others? That is something really beyond special. I mean, think about why, why coffee shops are so big, have been so big now for decades. It's the only place people can be together. You may not know the person, you may not have anyone in your life, but to go to a coffee shop and sit amongst others? Mm hmm. I mean, think about it. Why would you pay 11 for a cup of coffee? That's crazy. Because You're connecting with people, right? Even if you're just sitting in the Mm-Hmm. . Same room with them. You don't even have to talk to them. Right? Yes. It's, it's So, I'm sorry I cut you off. Go ahead, I cut you off again. Oh MATT: dear. Oh dear. You cut my key. Um, sorry. No, it's funny. I was at a coffee shop this morning and I was really thinking about it and. It's sometimes enough to just feel like, and this is the way [00:24:00] I described it this morning, it's enough just to kind of, it's almost like you're dipping your toe in the river, and the river is like everybody, it's humanity, it's this fantastic connection with people, and just being around it can feel nurturing for sure. Fawn: You were totally immersed in this whole idea of joy. Yes. It's something I've been thinking about since, I'm sorry to bring this up again guys. But it's something I've always thought about since you were in the hospital a few years ago. And MATT: that is a good moment to reflect and go, Oh my God, I need to not, I need to Joy was missing. I need to understand how to feel joy even in the midst of whatever this is. Yeah, Fawn: it's a very necessary thing. So we need to remember how to do it and don't go for the big joy in that. I think that's another problem I had. With this because it's called big joy, MATT: and that's just it. I want to call it like micro or mini joy It's [00:25:00] it's it's about it's about what you focus on grows It's about what you know giving a little getting back Maybe a ton and honestly all of this and and I think by and large when we start really thinking about Joy and increasing joy in our lives, because we're inherently selfish, always involves increasing joy around us. And it's about getting out of our own way. It's about getting out of, whatever it is we're looking at at a given moment. It's like, it can feel like in moments of stress that, or moments of, there's so many things to do that, we're staring at a brick wall and this is forcing us to take five steps back and really look at the whole wall instead of just this one brick that's in front of us and then even further back and you realize that how much interconnectedness [00:26:00] and, really how much, It's like, oh, what's the word? It's like you're getting out of the emotional, you're getting out of your emotional way and trying to connect to your logical self, which is impossible to do. But for a few seconds a day, you can do it. And then you can feel nurtured by that. So, you know, feel awe. All of a sudden you're like, you know. I always think about J. R. R. Tolkien and, and Bilbo Baggins, who's like, I'm just such a little hobbit in the face of it. And he does all these wonderful things in his adventures, but, he keeps such an inherent kind of humility about the whole thing. And, gratefulness and gratitude about, surviving. And I know it's a fictional character and whatnot, but it still helps me, really think through. Getting out of my own way, getting out of my own head, and trying to see the bigger world. Fawn: I don't think anything is fictional. I think everything is [00:27:00] nonfiction. I think all that is real. Anything that you've imagined that you've written about, it all exists. That's why I get mad at so many horror movies or movies that are just bad. Because I'm thinking, look at what you're bringing into reality. And then all these people are watching it and embracing it and embodying it. So we have to be careful, but I don't know. Did I make this clear about what Farnoosh said, though, about creating art every day as creatives, as creative people, as an artist to create something small every day? That will keep you in balance. So if you feel like, wow, I had a really bad day yesterday, or I got really angry, or like I had spouts of rage, you have to think about it, and usually it's because you didn't do your art. Whatever your art is, whatever your way of producing, creating [00:28:00] is, you have to make sure that you honor it every day. Like, ceremonially. Create something. Yeah, if, MATT: if I spend more than two days and I don't write any programming code, I feel off. I feel, uh, to say less feels uncomfortable to say from a logical point of view, but I do. Uh, you know, right now it's, it's cold and I don't want to go out for bike rides, period. So I'm on the stationary, but if I don't do the stationary for like two or three days, something feels off. It's like I need to Stagnant, right? Maybe. I need to produce. And, and, which is interesting because yeah, that's one of the things that one of the other lessons learned from, similar studies show that just like exercising, really you have to You have to continue living in the moment and expressing joy and [00:29:00] all of these other wonderful things that, that this little seven day, seven minute thing would have you do because it's when you stop, just like exercising. You stop exercising, all of a sudden, in the short term everything maybe is fine, but in the long term you start feeling not so good. Fawn: Again, the big reminder is Joy, especially in times of hardship. Joy when times are hard, guys. When there's so much sorrow. You need joy. That is life force. Do not feel guilty about experiencing joy. You need to. It is a necessity. It is a life force. And that's what I want to close it off with, but I think you want to say some other things, right, MATT: babe? Well, they did notice that even doing, what's described here, they did notice a 25 percent increase in emotional well being after just one week. Wow. And that's about an hour's worth of time over a Fawn: week. I [00:30:00] mean, it's really instantaneous. You can say a prayer, or you can look at something, and immediately, forget the 25 percent or 12%, whatever it is, you have a total shift in consciousness. You have a complete shift in frequency. MATT: And honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with you get out of the me, me, me, me, me, and you get to a us, us, us, us, Fawn: us. I want to say you get to a universal all being. And there MATT: you go. Which you are part of so it's the us us us Fawn: Yep, for me us us us is still limited You know, I'm thinking about all space MATT: and time. I know I know I'm still too selfish. Fawn: No, you're not You're focused myopic MATT: Exactly exactly again with the brick wall right in my face. Absolutely Fawn: That's a word I learned from you, by the way, myopic. It's a good MATT: word, isn't it? It just means nearsighted. Tunnel visioned, right? Yeah, but you throw that out and everybody's like, [00:31:00] Oh, oh, okay, super smarty pants. Myopic! Fawn: It's interesting, I wonder if it comes from Maya, which is illusion. Myopic. MATT: Do you think it comes from that? Well, it's M Y, so it becomes interesting. Never mind, okay. But, um, honestly, honestly, the keys to me are, and, and on, you know, God, and again, I'm going to say honestly, oh my goodness, I got to stop that. But like, I had a little uncomfort this week, discomfort this week, just because things at work are tricky, right? And it wasn't until I was just started to get out of my own way. And really try and look at the situation like from a spot six feet back from me instead of like through my eyes that I, I started to realize certain things and, you know, and honestly I tried to, , shift, I shifted my perspective but more [00:32:00] importantly I, I saw a negative and I started to take steps to address it and that made me feel Better than anything. Did I Fawn: help with that? Did I do MATT: that? Fawn: You guys, I'm usually in the kitchen, and Matt comes in and says some stuff, I'm like, Okay, can you now say three happy things about that situation? MATT: No. No, I cannot. Fawn: Terrible. You flipped it on me the other day. I don't remember what it was. I'm like, oh, I got angry. And I'm like, nope, nope, you're right. Alright, let me think of three. MATT: So annoying. But it's, it's so much, so much of joy, I think, revolves around either exercising those muscles, which you should be doing, but in order to start getting to a place where you can exercise those muscles, it's [00:33:00] about really reflecting. It's either about, as I said, getting three feet behind yourself and taking a look at the situation or remembering points in time where bad things maybe happened and the good that came out of those bad things. Fawn: Right. But see how things happen. You know, Farnoosh told me about doing this, and I was doing it, and I know, MATT: those, those breads you Fawn: made were awesome. Right, so I baked breads, and, , I had joy notes in the breads that I baked, and they weren't normal bread either. It was not normal bread, it was, like, gorgeous, every single one. Well, welcome to MATT: my world, Fawn: nothing's normal. Nothing is normal, cause, you know. I'm Persian. Everything is awesome. But like, yeah, like these gorgeous loaves. I would just figure out a completely different way to bake bread, not following a recipe, just like following my intuition, using creativity, but they were all intended for joy. And then somehow it came across your desk as an article. I mean, you pay attention to it [00:34:00] all because of Farnoosh June. Thank you, Farnoosh June. Love you. So, MATT: another thing that's interesting, different studies, which have increased joy in others, also talk about, and I know we're trying to wrap up the show, but here I am, Fawn: um. Matt saw me looking at the clock. MATT: They do talk about creating a gratitude list. Other people talk about creating just a journal where you write things you're grateful for, period. And this is ongoing. But the other interesting thing I thought. was, you know, perhaps particularly relevant, if to us, is that they also talked about setting a goal and tracking it can bring joy. And that's something that we have done that we're talking about doing again, so. Right. Fawn: Right. No matter how bad things got, I would look at the bulletin board that I had created with the family. But I created it. I mean, I, you know, like it was for us. We put goals together. We came up with goals, then made this [00:35:00] creative vision board, I guess you call it. And, even though if I was scared or feeling helpless or hopeless, I would look at that and go, nope, that's the goal. We're gonna do it. You know, look at how pretty that picture is. Mm hmm. That's our future. Right. It brought joy. It made it happen. Um, anything else you want to share? I MATT: think that's enough diversion. Did we diverge? Well, I did there at the end. Fawn: Alright guys, thank you. Thank you for listening. Thank you for the friendship. Thank you so much for being such amazing friends to us, for listening to us. Absolutely. We really appreciate MATT: you. Take some time, do some reflection, do something nice for somebody. Fawn: Do something nice for yourself. MATT: And yourself, yes. Yeah. But do something nice for Fawn: someone else, too. And have a beautiful every day. We'll talk to you soon. If you need us before then, please reach out to us. You know how to get a hold of us. Ourfriendlyworldpodcast. com [00:36:00] connects us immediately. There you go. Yes. Again, thank you. We love you. Talk to you soon. Be well.